Margaret Grey and Phil talked about the VP debate along with Kevin Hare, a Hollywood writer and friend of Margaret's who, it turns out, simply wanted to plug his bad direct-to-video movie. Kevin said Paul Ryan was like the character of Sir Francis Drake in his movie who was wearing a bad, costume store mustache and kept tripping over his sword... Phil talked with Harvey Wireman briefly about Leon Panetta and Panetta's report that concluded America is vulnerable to a "Pearly Harbor-style cyber attack." During the interview, when Harvey still couldn't get the right eyeglasses from his grand daughter, He confided to Phil that his grand daughter, daughter and son-in-law were so stupid Harvey often found himself going to the primate house at the zoo "to be with 'people' I can talk to....not literally but, you know, spiritually. Margaret also sang lyrics to the Twilight Zone theme, written, she said, "by Jerry Clarel and Bill Bingham, a couple of sound editors at Rod Serlings old company Kowabunga Productions."